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As I said I dont have it anymore I have moved to another DAC tier but when I had it it was used as both a DAC and a streamer. Honestly that would be the main reason to buy it, as a DAC only there are other options in the same price bracket that could be better. But as a DAC/streamer/headphone out/preamp there is very little competition at that price...

Hi welcome to the forum! I can't speak to the differences with the UD701N as I never had that unit. The N-05XD is really good though, I have moved on since I've had it to MSB but I think as an all in one it's hard to beat for the price, especially on the used market.

Thanks! Looking forward to trying it, and also testing all the output modules the seller included with it. I've heard the Pro USB/ISL is best but I want to try to Network renderer V2 also and see which I prefer.

As i wrote earlier I went with the MSB but I'm sure I would have been equally satisfied with the SDV.

Im in the US. And as you see I went for the MSB. Great minds meet :)

Thanks for the reply. I had already replaced the Holo May with the Esoteric N-05XD which sounded better but has some usability quirks in my setup that basically meant I had to forego the use of the streamer (complicated story). In any case I was looking both for a sonic upgrade, not sidegrade, and also for a DAC that i can hopefully keep a very long time. Long story short, I ended up buying the MSB Premier yesterday, fully loaded with all four output modules so I can try each one and decide which I prefer. I strongly considered the T+A since it had things the MSB didn't (built in NAA, 1024DSD etc) but in the end the price I got the Premier for was too good to pass up, and I feel it might be easier to resell if for any reason I decide to do so (highly doubt it but still). Finally, the fully modular approach of the MSB and good record of the company standing by their products for years helped me make the final choice. Don't get me wrong I'm sure the SDV 3100 would have been amazing, but its feature set is fixed in time and a few years down the line when better/different DAC technologies will be available it wont be able to upgrade to them. Whereas the Premier hopefully can. I'll update this post once I receive the MSB and test it in my system...

Hi all, I'm moving on from my previous DACs (Holo May, Esoteric N-05XD) and this time I'd like to get a DAC that I can keep for a long time. I know that the idea of a future proof DAC is an oxymoron since tech moves so quickly, but the two that I'm considering the most right now are either the T+A SDV 3100 or the MSB Premier. These seem the most future proof right now, here are what I think are pros/cons for each: - SDV 3100 pros: the most advanced DAC for input formats (DSD1024 through both USB and Ethernet) and built to handle just about anything that exists on the market right now. - SDV 3100 cons: while very advanced, the hardware cannot be upgraded at all in the future. - MSB Premier pros: fully modular and upgradable to better modules in the future. - MSB Premier cons: the upgradability is always a a gamble, who knows if they will offer upgraded modules or not. Even now one has to buy a pricey external box (the Digital Director) in order to make the DAC be up to date. I don't think I missed anything, but if anyone here has any advice about which DAC to choose, or if anyone has had experience with either of those DACs, I would really appreciate your feedback. Thanks!

View Classified FS Uptone Etherregen with Farad 3 PSU I am putting up for sale an Uptone Etherregen with Farad 3 PSU. Since the ER Gen2 is pushed back to 2024, I got the current version, and paired it with a Farad 3 PSU upgraded with a Rhodium IEC, a purple synergistic fuse and a Level 2 2.1mm DC cable. All items are in excellent condition and will come in their original boxes when available. Everything will be ground shipped with full insurance to Cont US. PP F&F or wire transfer only. Local sale in NYC would offer discount. Thanks for looking, and don’t hesitate to contact me if you have questions, need more info or pics, etc. Seller tdx Date 08/30/23 Price 1,000.00 USD Category Computers / Networking Gear  

View Classified FS Mutec REF10 SE120 Master Clock & BNC cables I am putting up for sale my Mutec REF10 SE120 master clock with 8 independently configurable clock outputs. This unit was converted to the SE120 model from Mutec themselves and, according to the CEO, they hand-picked the lowest noise oscillator possible (-123db @10z with 13.42fs jitter 1-100). This is actually a better measurement than even the retail REF10 SE120. It achieves a signal that is lower than even the best Cybershaft etc clocks at a much lower cost. Also including the following BNC cables to use with it and all your peripherals: Moon Audio Black Dragon BNC cable with RCA adapters Soul Note RCC-1 Japanese imported 50 ohms BNC cable All items are in excellent condition and will come in their original boxes when available. Ground shipped with full insurance to Cont US. PP F&F or wire transfer prefered. Local sale in NYC would offer discount. Thanks for looking, and don’t hesitate to contact me if you have questions, need more info or pics, etc. Seller tdx Date 08/30/23 Price 6,000.00 USD Category Digital to Digital Converters  

View Classified FS: Esoteric N-05XD, Mutec REF10 SE120, Etherregen w/Farad3 and more Hi all, I am putting up for sale my complete digital front end that includes the following: 1. Esoteric N-05XD DAC: One of the best all in ones, the N-05XD houses the latest gen Esoteric in-house DAC chip, a Lumin-based Roon/RAAT-ready streamer with its own internal LPS, a preamp and HP amp. MSRP: $11,000 Price: $7,5000 2. Mutec REF10 SE120: Master clock with 8 independently configurable clock outputs. This unit was converted to the SE120 model from Mutec themselves and they hand-picked the lowest noise oscillator possible (-123db @10z with 13.42fs jitter 1-100). So it achieves a signal that is lower than even the best Cybershaft etc clocks at a much lower cost. I use it with both the N-05XD and the Etherregen. MSRP: $7,500 Price: $5,500 3. Uptone Etherregen with Farad 3 PSU: Since the ER Gen2 is pushed back to 2024, I got the current version, and paired it with a Farad 3 PSU upgraded with a Rhodium IEC, a purple synergistic fuse and a Level 2 2.1mm DC cable. MSRP for ER and Farad with upgrades: $1,700 Price: $1,000 4. Habst Digital BNC 5N Cryo Pure Silver 75Ω Cable 1m: 75 Ohms cable to connect the Mutec clock to the Esoteric DAC. MSRP: $1,500 Price: $1,000 5. Soul Note RCC-1 Clock Cable: Japanese imported 50 ohms BNC cable to connect the Mutec clock to the Etherregen. MSRP: $1,500 Price: $1,000 All items are in excellent condition and will come in their original boxes where available. Total MSRP: 23,200 Total sale price: $16,000 OBO Everything will be ground shipped with full insurance to Cont US. PP F&F or wire transfer only. Local sale in NYC would offer extra discount. I also have extra cables (ethernet, extra BNC cable with adapters, RCA etc) that I can include for a slight extra cost. Thanks for looking, and don’t hesitate to contact me if you have questions, need more info or pics, etc. Seller tdx Date 08/26/23 Price 16,000.00 USD Category Digital to Analog Converters  

Thanks. I am looking specifically for DACs (any brand) that can take an Ethernet based DSD1024 signal.

Reviving this thread, I was wondering if more than 4 years after the announcement of the HV series, there are any other newer/more affordable DACs that can take an NAA DSD1024 or at least DSD512 signal over Ethernet? Or is the HV line still the only and expensive game in town? Thanks

Understood that makes sense. I'll see if i can score a used Red and give it a try. As for the connection, I would love to use balanced XLR but unfortunately my amp (Riviera AIC-10) is SE only and thus only takes RCA. But I've invested in a really good pair of RCA cables (Audience AU24 SX) which helps sound wise. Thanks

Got it thanks. Curious, is there a sonic benefit to using the Holo Red between your computer and the DAC? Or is it just for convenience? Right now I'm running HQP straight from my PC to the DAC with a good quality USB cable, but if you think the Holo can make my chain better I can get it... Thanks again.

Thanks so much, I really appreciate. Having tested the TEAC unit which I think shares a lot of the same components do you think the USB input is ok vs the ethernet input? Or do you think the streamer input is better?