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Does PF charge yearly subscription for their software?

While perusing the various fora I happened upon this thread and it reminded me of this previous conversation. The copy/paste is from the last paragraph of a post from a well respected veteran manufacturer/hobyist. Of course there are many more like this but I just think it is of no help to ignore the reality of the state of affairs. https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/fantastic-service-by-mehran-farahmand-of-sora-sound.39303/page2 In our hobby where there are so much smoke and mirrors and opinions are a dime a dozen, I am completely uninterested in participating in this cacophony. If WAM Engineering can’t prove our claims, then say so. If you think my research team and I have done a bad job of proving any claim ,lay out your evidence and we will reconsider our position.

still have this for sale?

You make a great point!

A couple addendum’s if I may since I am unable to edit original…. … My intent by use of the “Wigmore Hall” reference was to point out that I think your question as to where I got my data points, whether it was intentional or not, only serves to distract from my point that the industry is made up of a lot of “smoke and mirrors” rather than to address the issue itself. Much in the same way I believe it is only a distraction when manufacturers/sellers use similar arguments (to my Wigmore reference) to credit/discredit the efficacy of a component/system by dissecting and evaluating its ability to meet “audiophile created descriptors” to determine its value, when all that really matters (to me, imo) is the ability for a system/component to provide a certain level of “suspended disbelief” which also takes out any ambiguity as to whether the component(s) are worth keeping. This is the only standard (that I can think of ) which can be used to hold manufacturers/dealers accountable to when determining whether you got your money’s worth, and where the bar should be set.

“ I believed them when then said I was the first return--it was a new product with rave reviews” Thanks for the response. I too would have been less skeptical given the nature that it was a new product at the time. Offhand, I can’t think of any other times in my life that I was told that I am the first customer to be returning something other than the few times related to audio component returns. (I’m not saying it doesn’t happen within other hobby/industries as well however)

My intent by use of the “Wigmore Hall” reference was to point out that I think your question as to where I got my data points, whether it was intentional or not, only serves to distract from my point that I believe the industry is made up of a lot of “smoke and mirrors” Much in the same way it is only a distraction when people use similar arguments (to my Wigmore reference) to credit/discredit the efficacy of a system to accurately reproduce whatever source is being used to play their music, when all that really matters (to me, imo) is the ability for a system to provide a certain level of “suspended disbelief”

The fact that I had to use google to get the exact meaning of “longitudinal study” might in of itself answer your question. That being said Chris, and with all due respect, I believe your question in of itself feeds into the problem I am speaking to. It bears resemblance to “but how do you know what a Stradivarius sounds like in Wigmore Hall?” Hopefully you can recognize the parallel between the two without me having to explain but I can and will if necessary. My posts are based from several data points. Some obtained from the 40 years (I started when I was 3) of participating in this hobby at the level I have as a consumer, some from having spent a year shortly after I retired, working for a local dealer “for fun”, but mostly from casually reading posts on this and other popular audio fora and extrapolating. It’s hard to miss if you’re willing to take it in.

Well, fortunately we have laws that force companies to adhere to their sales policies. I could care less about being labeled “as the first”, but to me this sort of thing just adds to the ever increasing perception that the high end audio industry is as a whole, smoke and mirrors.

Thanks all for the replies. The more I think about this, I believe “plausible deniability” is what emboldens manufacturers/reps to make such claims.

Reminds me of when I was in college and checking out the “buds”

Over the (many) years I have been involved with this hobby I have on a few occasions taken advantage of various return policies that provide the option to return within a certain time frame. I recently made a purchase from a company that has been in business for 20 plus years that offered me a trial period on a long time popular product of theirs. When I informed them that I wanted to return the item for a refund I was told that I am the first, only person to make such a request. This isn’t the first time I have got this response either. I find it very difficult to believe that this is actually the case, but before I make any final judgement I wanted to find out what others have experienced in this circumstance. thanks in advance.

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I decided to renew but I wish someone else would design and market a plug n’ play software that sounds as good. I would switch in a second. I have the same loyalty to Euphony as they have to me, ZERO. In fact, offhand I can’t think of any other recurring expense I’ve ever had which I despise paying more due to the Euphony business model. I built my digital front end around the Euphony format when the software was first released. I had switched from a complicated Windows Server based pc setup and could have very easily lived with the sound (as I remember it) save for the fact that I just didn’t have the patience any longer for navigating the complex setup. It was fun then, but became “old” and definitely not appealing to me at this point in time. I would venture to say that with the addition of the various network related tweaks/advancements that have been developed and which I have carefully selected to use, (all things being equal) it is likely that the same Windows based server would sound even better than Euphony. I will end with this. Several months ago I was having an issue with Euphony finding my NAS. It took them about a week before they even made their first response to my inquiry. Two days ago I inquired about renewing my subscription and it was less than an hour before they were on it.

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