Afterdark Master Clock for Uptone EtherRegen

Apologies for asking a question, the answer to which has been so thoroughly discussed that I'm sure this post will cause much rolling of eyes.   And believe me, I have have scanned the entirety of this topic to gauge an answer, but I'm still a little confused.

I have an EtherREGEN, my budget limits me to the Queen.  Should I get the Square or the Sine?

1 minute ago, richard_crl032 said:

It is all in John's white paper somewhere here.

 

Use a sine version with filter and do not have to worry of cable quality.

 

Get square version IF you believe well done by clock mfgr since native clock is in sine format but do consider a better quality.

 

Yes, ER works better with square.

 

Hope I remember correctly and this helps.

 

Cheers.

Thanks Richard.  I had also read that - should have mentioned - sorry.  

I think, more specifically, I'm asking:  is the consensus that AfterDark's Square Queen better for the ER than their Sine Queen?

48 minutes ago, GoodEnough said:

 

Thanks Richard.  I had also read that - should have mentioned - sorry.  

 

I think, more specifically, I'm asking:  is the consensus that AfterDark's Square Queen better for the ER than their Sine Queen?

My pleasure ...

Hmmh .. indeed dun think I read of anyone who tried same Afterdark models of both sine and square versions to compared and shared.

I have the sine version of double crown emperor and using it without filter since I dun have it with the ER but did tried the MIC clock with both sine and square outputs to find no difference.

Cheers.

2 minutes ago, Iving said:

@GoodEnough @richard_crl032

 

I recall these conversations in real time back when.

 

Yes it boiled down to sine + that filter thingy or square - if you were confident in "squareness" of clock wave.

 

A Mutec Ref 10 (known quality square) was too expensive to make sense for me at the time - given £ balance of my system + affordability - and I bought an AfterDark Triple Emperor Double Crown 75Ω Square Wave. This clocks both eR and my Mutec MC3+ USB as Re-Clocker and WC (see my Profile for system if interest).

 

iirc I was in a minority going for Square at the time.

 

But I had no reservations then and I have none now. No measurements. But my ears have been happy through several system iterations / improvements. The better of these included fiber input to eR (but see my use) and a good power supply on the eR.

 

fwiw :-)

Thanks for that @Iving

Likewise, benefits have been experienced by adding fiber before the eR, and then adding Finisar SFPs.  I even have an £80 Phoenix Contact glass fiber cable on order.   I'll probably end up with an AD clock, and a decent LPS for the eR, and then I'll be done  (but I've said that before).

Hello All,

I recently purchased a Lynghdorf TDAI-3400 Loaded.  I started looking at the Mutec products as a way to improve the performance of the unit. During my search I also found the Etheregen which seems to be well regarded. The TDAI-3400 has a streamer built it. I am not currently using the built in function. I know it is not the best solution but I am using a Wiim PRO as a lot of my current lists are on Amazon music and the internal streamer does not support Amazon music. The Wiim feeds the Lynghdorf via digital coax. I plan to utilize the internal streamer via ethernet in the near future. 

I am using a Wifi router from Spectrum. Currently all of the ethernet ports are being used for Apple TV, security cameras and security system. Would the Etheregen be a good place to start? I looks like it has one main output that would run the Lynghdorf and other ports on the opposite side that could be used for secondary devices, is that correct? I also have an older Aurender N100 which probably is not relevant any longer with the new equipment. it has USB output only.

If  the Ethergen is a good starting upgrade path, what is recommended for power supply and cables? I also noticed that After Dark offers a heat sink for the Ethergen. Is this recommended secondary to severe heat?

Thanks,

J

On 2/16/2023 at 7:31 AM, GoodEnough said:

 

Thanks for that @Iving

 

Likewise, benefits have been experienced by adding fiber before the eR, and then adding Finisar SFPs.  I even have an £80 Phoenix Contact glass fiber cable on order.   I'll probably end up with an AD clock, and a decent LPS for the eR, and then I'll be done  (but I've said that before).

Hi GoodEnough,

Why Phoenix Contact fiber cable is so expensive compare to others?

Thanks,

Tuoc

3 hours ago, Hulio said:

Hi GoodEnough,

 

Why Phoenix Contact fiber cable is so expensive compare to others?

 

Thanks,

Tuoc

I don't know, and to be honest it's probably not worth it for the purposes of audio 

We just find a very postive feedback from the community of roonlabs. Very happy to share the happyiness for all Audiophiles.

https://community.roonlabs.com/t/etherregen-with-an-afterdark-ocxo-clock-wow/161630

Puchase link for Giesemann Clock - Queen - Square Wave EtherREGEN SE edition.

On 7/31/2024 at 9:45 AM, MartinT said:

I am running two AfterDark clocks, both sinewave: a King for the EtherREGEN and an Emperor Triple Crown for the Gustard U18 DDC and Gustard X26 Pro DAC (using I2S feed-through).  They are each fed with an Uptone JS-2 power supply and are each on Black Ravioli footers.  Despite them being sinewave, and using BLP-10.7+ filters on both, the clock cable still very much matters.

 

I am now using Tubulus Concentus clock cables on each and they really do uplift the performance even more (previously was using Harmonic Technology DC-III and Belden 4694R), as do the JS-2 power supplies, which are hugely over-specified for the job.

I'm enjoying extremely good sonic results as follows: Emperor Double Crown 10 MHz 75 ohm sine wave master clock > BJC 75 ohm 2 ft 4794R clock cable > Fairchild 75 Ohm to 50 Ohm Matching Pad > Gustard R26 50 ohm sine wave external MC input.  I find that a BLP-10.7+ filter is detrimental to sound quality, at least to my ears and therefore I do not use it.  Not sure why it is even necessary since both clock output and DAC external clock input are specified as sine signals.  As a testament to the EtherRegen, I find more sonic benefit using my MC with my DAC than with my ER.  At some point, I plan to get a second MC for use with my ER or the new ER2.  

2 hours ago, Qstik said:

I find that a BLP-10.7+ filter is detrimental to sound quality, at least to my ears and therefore I do not use it.

I tried both of mine out last week.  Didn't like the sound as much so I put them back in place.

Is the fuse in the AfterDark “BLACK MODERNIZE LPS X GIESEMANN OCXO 10M EDITION” changable?”

I bought the OCXO King Edition with this power supply. It has the NCF IEC input, just not sure what was specified for its fuse.

I am using it with a JPS Labs Power AC+ cable I had available, but given this costs more than $500 new, which is more than the Supply currently is. This has a Synergistic Red Mains fuse in the plug.

Also what experiences have other users of the AfterDark clock had with isolation for the clock unit and it’s power supply?

What works best under the clock unit, where & how is it best positioned?

Hi! simon_pepprer,

Thanks for the questions.

The fuse socket is located above the Furutech NCF IEC inlet. The fuse is rated at 2A for 220 and 1A for 120V. The change of better fuse, will change the sounding and improve sounding with the fuse characteristic. 

The Giesemann clock is very sensitive to vibiration and good power supply and required to have independent LPS and better DC cable will always improves sounding a lot. 

The black ceramic beads footer below will works very nice for Giesemann Clock. 

https://www.adark.co/products/afterdark-audiophilemat-black-mountain-series-2?variant=32241777967222

Thanks and have a nice day.

Best Regards,

Adrian

AfterDark. 

1 hour ago, AfterDark. said:

The fuse socket is located above the Furutech NCF IEC inlet. The fuse is rated at 2A for 220 and 1A for 120V. The change of better fuse, will change the sounding and improve sounding with the fuse characteristic. 

Hi, Is that inside the unit? As I don't see a external fuse holder on the back.

1 hour ago, AfterDark. said:

The Giesemann clock is very sensitive to vibiration and good power supply and required to have independent LPS and better DC cable will always improves sounding a lot. 

Yes, a silver DC cable with Oyaida plugs has been ordered

2 hours ago, AfterDark. said:

The black ceramic beads footer below will works very nice for Giesemann Clock. 

Will take a look at these

Hi @AfterDark. could you advise on the location of the fuse on the AfterDark 12v power supply, with the switch above the IEC socket.

Also what physical size is the fuse, and a slow or fast blow 2A version for 220v operation?

Taken delivery of a Crystal Clear Audio Magnum Opus 3 BNC Digital cable, bought as a ex-demo cable from Audiogon. I was looking at the Tubulus Concentus and this popped up.
This cable is a 6N silver coax cable at a new price of US$1,275 it would be a bit excessive between the AfterDark OCXO unit and the EtherREGEN, but I was able to get an excellent deal, at a good fraction of list price.

Just warming up it, with some Roger Water’s Lockdown Sessions, but the initial impression is is good so far.

Even the cable is ex-demo I don’t believe it has much use, so it will be break in again.

A further question, as I consider the isolation position of the Afterdark OCXO unit - when looking at alternate feet, whether Sorbothane type or bearing based, it is best to remove the existing rubber dome feet and place the new supports at the 4 corners of the casework? Or underneath the existing rubber dome feet?
Thanks, Simon.

On 9/11/2024 at 4:43 PM, simon_pepper said:

A further question, as I consider the isolation position of the Afterdark OCXO unit - when looking at alternate feet, whether Sorbothane type or bearing based, it is best to remove the existing rubber dome feet and place the new supports at the 4 corners of the casework? Or underneath the existing rubber dome feet?
Thanks, Simon.

@MartinT What did you do, when using the Black Ravioli feet, with or without the original dome pads?

19 hours ago, simon_pepper said:

@MartinT What did you do, when using the Black Ravioli feet, with or without the original dome pads?

I removed the AD pads and affixed Black Ravioli Pads in their place.

Direct damping of the chassis is critical to how BRs work so don't add them to intermediary feet.

2 hours ago, MartinT said:

I removed the AD pads and affixed Black Ravioli Pads in their place.

 

Direct damping of the chassis is critical to how BRs work so don't add them to intermediary feet.

Ok, will do, if/when I go this route, which is likely. But I thought that with the Tubulus Concentus Clock cable 😆

On 8/30/2024 at 11:03 PM, simon_pepper said:

Hi @AfterDark. could you advise on the location of the fuse on the AfterDark 12v power supply, with the switch above the IEC socket.

 

Also what physical size is the fuse, and a slow or fast blow 2A version for 220v operation?

Synergistic Purple fuse now in the AD power supply to the OCXO