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I keep coming back here to figure out what exactly happened to Euphony, or more precisely, what is the vision behind this once and still stellar software—at least in audio terms. Should we let go of it, as I did, and as PinkFaun seems to as well, or is it still worth holding onto? For those of you wondering where they are headed, this August 10, 2024 article might be an interesting (if not bewildering) read. I’m curious to hear your thoughts! STEPPING BACKWARDS TO MOVE FORWARD IN MY DIGITAL STREAMING SYSTEM Tom Gibbs August 10, 2024 (…) Here’s where the Mozzaik upsampler comes into the picture. With Devcic having been an active participant in its developmental trials, and with almost two years of evaluation of the Mozzaik software in combination with Euphony equipment, he and Dalibor are impressed with its capabilities, and especially its musicality.(…) (…) In effect, what Dalibor was asking me to do was remove nearly $8000 in equipment from my system, and replace it with a DAC only slightly larger than a deck of cards that retails for $150. Adding insult to injury, I’d also be removing the i²S connection and replacing it with what I regarded as an inferior connection—USB. (…) (…) Compared to my previous digital source system with either the E70 Velvet or Gustard X26 Pro DACs, the sound of DSD files was now mind-bogglingly good. (…) (…) Euphony is in the process of building a statement, single-box streaming solution that will include dual motherboards to separate the streaming and server functions as in their dual-box Summus/Endpoint setup. The new system will also include the latest implementation of Mozzaik’s software, which will upsample everything to DSD128.(…)

@The Computer AudiophileWe discussed here before, hence I am back here OT. But is that why there is now what looks like a small countdown timer, to visually guide users through the short editing window here at AS? Would be very convenient to have something like that!

Twice in a row or not? Same reason or a PinkFaun problem? Hope it went well for you.

@PYPThanks for sharing. Indeed, Marcin achieved a solid result without the switch, but the best result came with it. I understand your desire for convenience, but convenience often aligns with good results, not necessarily the best ones. It’s worth noting that Marcin didn’t connect his home devices, like his TV, to his audio network. For example, even a device like the Grimm can still reveal upstream network changes. My point aligns with Marcin's approach: he introduces a top-tier device that only delivers its best performance in an optimal setup—specifically, a trio of router, switch, and streamer in a rigorously controlled network environment. However, what frustrates me is that it seems unfair to expect end users to solve this network issue themselves. We’re handed this problem, and it feels like we’re left responsible for addressing something that should have been taken care of by the manufacturers. Don’t get me wrong, it still sounds incredible, but like most streamers, it only truly shines with a better network. That said, this approach might not be for everyone—especially if you enjoy the process of tuning your network. This is all I have to say about this here. Thanks.

@matthias As an audiophile, I've seen remarkable advancements in network technology tuning over the years. However, I firmly believe that the upstream network should not dictate the audiophile setup process. The explosion of costly network switches, filters, and cables has created a new audiophile network industry that, while exciting, has left us stuck in a cycle of endless tuning. As I see it, audiophiles have projected their need for fine-tuning onto the network aspect, complicating the pursuit of SQ. So I advocate for the integration of network noise control directly into streamer and DAC devices. By achieving near perfection in this area, these devices would provide consistent sound quality, independent of network variables, and elevate the performance of every downstream component. This approach allows us to focus on the truly enjoyable and rewarding process of downstream tuning. By eliminating the burden of managing network-related variables, we can fine-tune cables and devices with precision, creating a more efficient and satisfying path to optimal SQ. Cheers

Thanks for your comment @matthias. I believe it's possible to break from conventional thinking without compromising performance. With his groundbreaking design, Marcin has already shown that a (not officially released X1) router is no longer just a router, neither is the X1 switch what a switch used to be. More similarities than differences between each device open new ways to integration, at least if it wasn’t for XACT, that is how I see it now. The challenges you mention appear easily surmountable, so who knows what the future might hold? 1.) Upgrades: Design for modularity, allowing component swaps without returning the entire device. 2.) Power & Cases: Use advanced power management and internal isolation to minimize interference. 3.) Regional Router Requirements: Create region-specific modules or configurable router settings. 4.) SQ Without Switch: Ensure minimal signal degradation with high-quality networking and audio components. 5.) Router in Living Room: Focus on sleek designs that blend into living spaces. 6.) WiFi Preference: Include both wired and wireless connectivity options. 7.) Replacing Parts: Make components modular for easy replacement of individual parts. Or let go of thinking in separates : router + switch + streamer is one. 8.) Used Market: This applies to both integrated and separate systems, so it’s not unique to integrated. Encourage a robust market by ensuring compatibility across regions. 9.) Case Size: Prioritize compact (or customizable) designs to fit different setups. Note that I am not talking 5 months, but more like 5 years. Maybe that is all it takes…😎.

By minimizing overhead and reducing board size while ensuring proper isolation, a unified assembly with high signal quality could benefit users by consolidating devices. Sure, this concept faces challenges but I would not call those disadvantages. With the same high sound quality, having a single device would clearly be advantageous for the end user. What disadvantages do you see in this concept?

Hi Marcin, If my suggestion to combine the functions of a router, switch, and streamer into a single device led you to consider creating a device that merges these three functions at a fraction of the cost, that wasn’t my intention. The real issue is whether we will be stuck using three separate devices to reduce noise forever, and who will continue the research and development needed to address this. It seems to me that if anyone can accomplish this, it could be you, and you should charge a fair price for it. I apologize if my suggestion came across as expecting it for free—that would indeed be unfair given the effort involved.

PS. iPad is always wifi disabled and operating in flight mode

No problem. If I’m the first person in 17 years to raise a concern regarding this, do not change anything. I’ll write it elsewhere and copy-paste from there; problem solved! When I’m writing, I like to check past comments or copy quotes to stay consistent, which takes time. By the way, you can delete our conversation here if you’d like. I’m glad I didn’t make a separate thread for this. Thanks for your attention. PS no interface is perfect. You did not address my delete request so I will write as above : Unable to delete, unless there is a workaround?

No site allows editing in perpetuity, but that’s not the point here. This doesn’t seem to cause any issues when posting on other platforms, like WBF. In fact, I find it much more convenient there. On WBF, I can also delete a post if my attempt to quote something accidentally results in a new post being saved. I think you should consider the difference between long-term and short-term editing windows. It seems like the edit window on AS is around 15-20 minutes. Could this be doubled or even tripled, at least?

Unable to delete @The Computer Audiophile Why is it that we can't delete a post after a certain amount of time? And why is there such a short window to edit a post? In my opinion, extending the time limit for editing posts would reduce impulsive or poorly thought-out comments. It would encourage more thoughtful discussions by giving users a chance to reflect and refine their comments, ultimately improving the quality of the content. Then again, maybe it's just me trying to multitask by writing while enjoying music—but that's a tough balance to strike!

@Fourlegs, I understand your hesitation, but I think you should give the wired connection a try. At one point, Marcin personally confirmed this to me (along with feedback from other users with high-end setups). While I can't provide an exact quote anymore, it’s understandable why a manufacturer wouldn’t openly express too much enthusiasm about it in today’s Wi-Fi-centric world. Recurring phenomena related to controller apps (like JCATs) and local files (and possibly streamed files): 1. No WiFi: Investigate how the controller app behaves without WiFi. 2. Controller App Update Time: Track the SQ impact of controller app updates to streamer. 3. App Closed During Play: Examine the SQ when the controller app or tab is closed during active use. 4. … 5. …

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One bullet to rule them all Alex ! 😂 But seriously, was there more, or is this a cliffhanger?

@Marcin_gps, you have to stop! I’m blown away by this, and it’s hard for me to comprehend. First, I had to get my head around the idea of two interchangeable S1 units acting as a switch and a streamer. Now, the thought of a trio of S1 units functioning as a router, switch, and streamer is just unbelievable! You mentioned it's not possible right now, but I can only imagine how impressive it will be when all three are combined into one unit, still reducing noise and eliminating extra cables. I believe we'll reach that point in the coming years without crippling performance and I’m excited to see how you'll contribute to this journey. Best regards, Paul

If server/player & switch running simultaneously is not possible. It seems my best option to improve sound, and assuming there will be an R1, it seems this is how I need to assemble my streaming section before the DAC: Modem ➔ XACT R1 Router ➔ XACT PHANTOM LAN Cable ➔ XACT N1 Switch ➔ XACT PHANTOM LAN Cable ➔ XACT S1 Streamer ➔ XACT PHANTOM USB Cable ➔ DAC

Your work, whether deliberate or not, blur the conventional boundaries between a streamer and a switch. At their core, the distinction seems to hinge merely on the operating system, while the physical hardware has the capacity to fulfill both roles. From an end-user perspective, the potential of a unified device that integrates these functions is substantial. This could address the challenge of noise propagation over Ethernet, a persistent issue. Nonetheless, I recognize that pursuing this solution might not be commercially viable at present, and I understand the dilemma for manufacturers and being unable or unwilling to provide an answer today. Congrats to you for S1.

To @Marcin_gps, Thank you for your comment. I should have mentioned that adding a switch would enhance the S1's sound quality. I don't mean to suggest that streamers perform poorly without audiophile network switches, but it's an issue we have to contend with. It's surprising to think that network management has become an art form in its own right.

Some readers may be looking for a quick, emotional take, discussing how the sound quality makes the reviewer feel while others may want a deep dive into the product's technical aspects and a more objective critical point of view.

I believe that’s what I was aiming to express. I often visit here because I appreciate your content. If it hadn’t been for your detailed review and follow-up on the Dynaudio Focus 10, I wouldn’t have a pair of them here, testing them with every source I have to fully explore their potential. But I also do value when rewiewers place devices in context with current developments and compare them to similar products in the audio industry. Ultimately, though, it’s essential to try them out for ourselves.

@The Computer Audiophile, Thank you for sharing your insights on the XACT S1 Evo / N1 switch combination. Your observations highlight several key aspects of the device: The S1 Evo’s consistent performance across various listening environments, ensuring high-quality sound. Its specialized design with focused hardware/software integration, distinguishing it from more generic solutions. The dedicated effort of Marcin Ostapowicz and his team in both developing and bringing this device to market. The exceptional sound quality, described as achieving “pure sonic bliss.” Your recognition on the “CASH List,” indicating its top-tier status among similar products. Thank you for your detailed perspective—it is truly invaluable. I just wanted to clarify that the document isn’t intended to be a formal review, as the title might imply. It does not include elements such as pros and cons, comparisons with similar devices, or ratings based on specific criteria. Your insights are certainly appreciated and contribute to a better understanding of the strengths of the S1 Evo / N1 combo. However, it does come across more like a press release. Thank you once again for your thoughtful insights. Best,

Thanks Marcin, I further replied here (see AS link below) and I had already quoted your post from WBF in the Best audiophile switch.

Dear @Marcin_gps, The XACT S1 is a remarkable piece of technology that serves dual purposes as both a network switch/router and a music server/player. This versatility is a significant achievement, as it challenges the traditional distinctions between a streamer and a switch. Essentially, the difference lies only in the operating system, allowing the S1 to transition seamlessly between these roles. As an end user, I see great potential in having a single unit that performs both functions. However, from a commercial perspective, this might be less appealing, as it could reduce the need for separate devices. I hope that in the near future, there will be a way to integrate both functions effectively. Such integration should address network noise issues, eliminating the need for audiophile switches designed to minimize this noise. I was excited about the new developments, but I felt a bit disappointed when I was told that adding a switch was necessary to improve the S1. This leads us to a choice within the same brand: either the “likely too expensive $12k S1 switch or the more affordable $6k N1” (from WBF). Deciding between these options can be challenging, if money is no object what to choose for best SQ? And how to understand the flexibility of the S1, which can function as a streamer one day and a switch the next? As is not the case with the N1 switch, which lacks this dual capability. Best,

One of the standout features of the S1 is its OS, designed to transform the streamer into a switch. In fact, one could argue that it is the S1 switch that can be easily transformed in a streamer. The only real difference between the S1 as a streamer and as a switch is its OS. When exploring for the best audiophile switch, particularly with a S1 combo (switch → server) and understanding its core philosophy, the results can be compelling. With the S1, the line between a streamer and an audiophile switch blurs, determined solely by the OS. Additionally, it has been announced as upgradable—though what this really means, whether it's maybe a fully integrated streamer-switch (with two mobo's like Antipodes does with it's streamers?), a new OS, or updated components, remains known only to Marcin. In an optimized setup, I would prefer a single Ethernet cable (or fiber) from the modem to the s1 to be sufficient to achieve peak performance (assuming no noise between modem and server). Modem → Switch → XACT S1 server Additionally, the control point must be connected in a way that minimizes any impact on the audio signal. @Marcin_gps 1) Does the XACT S1 server need a switch for best performance? 2) Can/did anyone compare the XACT S1 switch with some of the other top contenders? (Slightly modified post was originally posted on WBF in the Best audiophile switch)